Episode Transcript

Paul - 

Welcome to WakeUp Call w/ Paul, ladies and gentlemen. My name is Paul Fournier  And this is Miss Sarah Jeavons all the way from Australia. This is our first ever international podcast. This is the first international podcast. This is crazy. So, Sarah, I met Sarah on Instagram. She was doing a lot of social development stuff and just self development stuff just on two different platforms on Instagram, and I was drawn in right away, she always had an incredible energy, she always had great things to say. And I just really took her positive nature in general. So if you're looking for positivity, if you're looking for social development, if you're looking for anything, anything remotely close to those things, please follow Sarah. She's amazing. And give you a little bit of background share. I'm looking off mine. I love it, I would do the exact same. Yeah. So Sarah Shivani is an expert in social development, she has traveled to over 70 different cities around the around the world, and ran over 140 live seminar coaching, seminars coaching people to find more success in their personal dating and business relationships. So Sarah, welcome, welcome grow? Can you? Can you dive in a little bit deeper about some of your history? And what really got you into the social development world?

Sarah - 

Yeah, well, thank you, I'm so grateful to be on here, I just wanted to say that I think what you're doing is amazing. And the more people that are spreading these type of messages, and and really helping educate people, I mean, you know, to me, that is just the most fulfilling part of my life. And that's really what led me into even, you know, going down that pathway of social development, where, you know, to me, I really heard that term very much, right. And I guess, to me, the way I even was able to travel and go to all those amazing cities, was through my own social skills, and through my networking, and how I can get opportunities, and create them out of absolutely nothing through these new relationships with people. And for me, you know, coming from Australia, I remember going over to LA, and I didn't know anybody at all, I had no friends, I didn't know anybody in that city. And, you know, for some people, that can be really frightening when you go to a new city, let alone LA, which is very intimidating for a lot of people, and then find opportunity out of that, you know, real solid opportunity, not this fluffy, like, oh, someone's promising me x and actual solid opportunity that leads you closer to whatever it is that you want to be doing in this world. And so for me, I was really, really lucky. And also, you know, persevered, which, you know, I know we're gonna get into in this talk that we're doing today. And I was able to apply these social skills, these networking skills, to get me that opportunity. And it was all through building that rapport, and being open. And actually, you know, going, Hey, this person just said, art, you know, we're about to go on a world tour with the company, and I went, Oh, you know, I can help you out with that. And I can do the Australian cities for you, you know, that little in, and, you know, I didn't know what it was going to lead to. Right, it was just, I'm going to help them. And from that point, it built and built and built. And I persevered and it grew me so much, that the confidence that I was able to come out of that was well worth the grind. And that the hard work and, you know, don't complain type of attitude that I had, throughout the whole experience, you know, going to a different city every single week. And every seven days, I'm going to a new city, I'd set up, I'd speak in front of an audience of strangers. And then I would want a workshop about confidence about dating about how you can go out there and literally build a really deep connection with somebody in less than five minutes. And for me, I realized, you know what, this is incredible. I get to help people. And it's challenging me at the same time. So I'm growing, and I'm helping these people from you know, instead of hiding from the world, going out there and actually meeting people.

Yeah. So I, it's you strike me as a person that kind of has that unique, unique kind of capability of being able to meet strangers and make them feel very welcome. Have you always been like that? Is that something that you've always had?

Um, you know, it's really funny. And people always say, oh, how long have you been, I guess, studying this? And I would honestly say, since I was a little kid, I was the youngest. Well, I am the youngest of three. And I was always battling. You know, I was battling to fit in with my siblings. And they would always exclude me from games. I don't know if you've ever played games with your friends or family when you're a kid. But you know, piggy in the middle. I have posttraumatic stress from this game where you piggy in the middle. You don't.

America. Piggy in the middle is if you do write down a comment and let us know if you know what that means. What does that mean in Australia, just

so just sort of make sure everybody knows it's going Not so piggy in the middle. I want to know what the American term is. This is when you have say a ball or Yeah, ball. Okay. And there's one person that's in the middle and there's usually two people on the outside and you have to try and get the ball.

Okay? Did you play I'm asking my armband right now Do you know that one? He doesn't know. I actually cannot believe that you guys don't know that that is

in the middle? Is it a monkey in the middle with FBA? It's monkey in the middle. That's what we call it called monkey monkey. Jeez, Americans Come on.

So anyway, that was the beginning of where I learned my social skills is through monkey in the middle, or piggy, piggy in the middle, whichever animal you would like, in the middle. And I was the animal in the middle all the time? Because my siblings would always say, Oh, no, no, no, Sarah, if you want to play, you've got to be in the middle. What if you want to play, you have to be it, you know, or, you know, they would say are the game's over, we're not playing anymore. So, you know, from a young age, I'm having to adapt, I'm having to learn how to fit in. And that progressed, even through school where I was trying to fit in. And there was a phase where, you know, I was just over giving, you know, like, I was people pleasing, I was giving way too much of myself to people that actually were really nasty to me, they weren't actually that nice. So, you know, that, to me, there was this balance. And even with my coaching, you know, you can go to extremes. And I guess, for me, my childhood was about understanding and exploring the extremes of one side, and then pulling it back and finding a healthy balance. Okay, so for me, it was, you know, there were some times where I went, cheese, the things that I'm doing, just so that someone will accept me into the tribe. Okay. And this is, to me, it's really important to be accepted by the tribe and, and we all share that just as humans, right, we want to be accepted. So it's, it's a crucial skill to understand. But it becomes toxic if you allow it to continue when people to use you and and you to be over giving, you know, as I think today would be really good to give people some, some tools to not only get as well in relationships.

Yeah. And that's and that's totally thing. Absolutely. I mean, I've been in relationships before where and I've heard a standard comedian talk about this, where you walk around even a city where you don't know very many people, and you feel like you're the mayor of happy town. You're like, if somebody gives me be like, Yeah, what's up, dude? Yes, yes, absolutely. You and you have been with a woman before where it's just like, I'm not doing that shit that how do you do that on a daily basis? You know, so for so for people that are really over giving and love just that exchange and connection and energy? Like, just like we're doing right now. I mean, you're definitely one of those people. It's hard for us to kind of turn that off and say, Okay, wait, wait, this is actually going to hurt me. Because I might have an expectation that revolves around me getting to a certain point, or just if you invest a certain amount of time, I think at some point, even if you don't have expectations, you can actually still get hurt, I think just from time, so if you don't mind, before we move on to our main topic, can you give us Can you just remember to give us a strategy for dealing with that at the very end afterwards? Okay. Awesome. Okay, so the main topic today is going to be the power of building new relationships. Okay, so like I said, the how you mean, Sara, Matt was literally on Instagram, DMS. And I was like, self empowerment all about it. This is awesome. This is awesome. And I think like, two or three months later, I was just like, do you want to be on this podcast? I've been doing this every Monday, she's like, absolutely. So this is just one of those things that just the power of communication, and a mutual friend of ours. George chinos is actually going to be on the podcast next week, and a mutual friend. So we had to, we got to communicate on that. But all of that stemmed from the power of just conversing with new people. And on one of my podcasts before, I had these things called hashtag calling cards, where basically I would, I would tell people to put three to five names on the card of people that they either want to reach out to their brand new contacts, or networking or whatever, or just old friends that they haven't talked to me one time. And so basically, you have these common cards that you look at every single week. And you see you just check them check the names off. So it keeps you engaged with the world and, and I think it can solve a lot of loneliness for people. So that's what we're going to get into today and the expert over here at Social Development and relationships, Miss Sarah, what, what's the first thing that you'd like to kind of dive into?

Sarah - 

I'm just going to touch on, you know how this even came to be like what you're saying, you know, through social media and reaching out and you know, George Chanos, he's, he's an incredible person too. I remember meeting him in Vegas last year, and even his book, I don't know, if you've got it as well, the millennial Samurai samurai, that he send you the Black Label one. No, I didn't get I got the white one. I got my we got him flexing on me. It's an amazing book, it's an eye, you know. And it to me that shows alignment in values in, you know, how he looks at the world. And he's trying to help just like this podcast, and being open to opportunities like this, really can change the world. And you don't think of it in the moments, but it really does. It has this ongoing ripple effect, of positivity of love, and it just spreads and spreads. And, you know, to me, I was closed off. When you first contacted me, I was closed off, I wasn't even open to it. And I made this switch in my mindset, which I'll talk about as well. And that switch was, I'm open to it. I'm open to telling my story. I'm hoping open to being on podcasts, I don't care, how big how small, like, if I can get in front of people and one person listens to that I know I'm going to impact them. So you know, that's what allowed me to be open. And I'm so grateful. Because after connecting with you, I'm like, Oh my god, Paul's amazing. And I never would have had that if I didn't open up my gate. And I didn't allow you to come into it. Like it just would never come to fruition. So I'm really, really grateful. I think an important part of what we're talking about today is the power of building relationships. Okay, new relationships can bring you so many opportunities that you don't even realize. And if you are closed off, you can't see them. As soon as you open yourself up to it, you suddenly it's like looking into the matrix. It's like this entirely different reality that you step into. And now you can actually see it except the mean, decide what you want. And I think boundaries is really important. If you are somebody who over gives, or you are somebody who is a people pleaser. Got to set up internal boundaries for yourself, as well. So I think there are a couple of major things that I would love to touch on.

Paul - 

Yeah, absolutely. And it's it's funny, like you said, there's the opening, opening yourself up. I just started I just started mentoring. My first mentee from Uganda that I tell you about that? No. Okay, so this guy is he's a 28 year old, and he's starting his own media company. He's been going for a long time, he actually is able to pay all of his bills right now. And it was a little bit of money by doing his own thing by by by choosing an art career in Uganda. So we've been talking back and forth about certain things. And I actually met him through a friend of mine, Darren, Jacklin, which I'd love to introduce you to one day. I think he's great. He's a speaker. Do you know who that is?                                Sarah -Yes. from Canada. He is. It's who I think he is. He's one of the most amazing speakers I've ever seen. He was at the city gahler in LA when I was first there and spoke incredibly, he spoke about going to Africa. And I honestly was like, I want to go like you don't understand. Yeah, I just thought I remember going up to him and saying, Darren, you were one of the most amazing speakers I've ever seen. Like I felt so connected to him. Yeah, seriously, even even since I what I mean, I think it is I don't know, buddy, but he's from

he's from Denver, and Jacqueline. Yeah, it's probably the thing. That is crazy. It's crazy. I I'm looking over my manager right now. And he's like,

of course. Right? So um, yeah. Uh,

Paul - 

so I met Darren, Jacklin, through a mutual friend. And he, he basically was like, you have to get on these things for the game in the world. And Game of the World is about helping out Uganda in bring out just all women's change. I'm kind of overwhelmed right now. Because what we're talking about essentially what we're talking about, right now live, and we had no idea that we know a whole, probably a whole bunch of people that so so Darren, Jaclyn is is a part of this link foundation that is basically improving parts of Uganda, whether it's filtration systems for water, education, anything that we can do to help improve the lives of over Uganda we can do so what we do is we get on a weekly we get on a weekly call every Wednesday for about 90 days and we network with each other and figure out ways that we can not only work with each other, but try to impact data as much as possible together. Darren's really He says that basically, all the world is a network of conversation, all the all the ins and outs, all the relationships that we have, all the successes are based off a conversation, to go down the street and get your your basic nine to five job, you have to have a conversation to go in and be do what we're doing, you have to certainly have to have conversations. But um, I, I'm gonna be honest, I actually missed the first meeting. Because I was I felt like I was to have a well, they didn't feel like I had enough time, essentially. And I just said yes. And magically, I've timed just opens up time just opens up completely, I feel like I'm much more passionate in my life more purpose. and everything in between, because I've allowed just networking to be part of my life and be open to it. Like you just said certain. I mean, that's, that's, that's just it just being open to conversations starting.

It's, you know, I love this book, by Gil Hasson I believe she's from the UK, it's called communication, it's an excellent book, it would be a really good resource for anybody that wants sort of step by step strategies of how to really start this process of what I call social negotiation. Now, negotiation, that term is usually if you're trying to get a deal with somebody, you know, a new business venture, and, you know, you're really trying to figure out how can I get the best, how can I get the best out of this, but you know, what, every single day, we are in social negotiations, whether it's with your family, and, and you know, you're trying to get your, your son or your daughter to eat something, and they're not eating it. So you've got to negotiate so that they'll eat their broccoli or something like this, you know, you go, you go out, and you're building report with somebody, you know, and you're buying something, you've got to create this rapport and negotiate with them, essentially. And, you know, all the communication is, is, you know, between, you know, two people or more, is you're sharing your ideas, and you're you're sharing, you know, your values and your experiences, and vice versa. So, it's this really incredible dynamic experience. And once you know how to use it, it becomes a really essential tool in getting yourself more success and more happiness. And you know, more well being, you know, to me, I think life is, is more about creating really incredible experiences, you know, you could go through your day, and have a kind of okay day with a few interactions with people. Or you can have an amazing game, where you go out and you create these funny experiences that you honestly will be remembering and reminiscing on when you are older. And you are, you know, in a nursing home and going Oh, I remember the time that you know, you tripped over in the ice cream went all over your face, you know, the ability to be able to create those experiences now is what's so powerful about what we're talking about.

Right? And do you find that that's also kind of like a almost like a living in the moment kind of experience where you run into. So it's kind of like waking up in the moment having the power of the moment sort of? Was that author's name that wrote the power of now? Yeah, yeah. So yeah, I mean, that sort of thing we're enjoying you're almost coming alive in the moment, knowing that you're making a beautiful experience in memory.

Yes, yeah, exactly. Yeah, he's, he's a great author. You know, it's, it's easier said than done, isn't it? Like, I know, it's a sort of not corny, but well known type of, quote, I used it when I posted an Instagram photo the other day, and it was something along the lines of, you know, dance like no one's watching. dance like no one's watching, sing like no one's listening. Live like it's heaven on earth, if it was something along those lines. And that really resonated with me. Because when you act like you're not worried about people's judgement, you feel so strong, you feel unstoppable. I mean, you know, you can go out into the world and be you and not worry about people looking at you and judging and try to put trying to put this cage around you, essentially, like you are who you are. And that's what makes you so unique. And that's what attracts people into you. And we're always changing that so that we don't really show the real ups. But the thing is, once you take that cage down of judgment, I think this is a really important thing when it comes to building say a new relationship with somebody is you have to let go of judgment, judgment of yourself and judgment from others. They are the two major, I guess, challenges that you'll face when you start to break out of break out of it. Go out meet new people, you'll worry about what you say what you're wearing, how you go about your actions, things like this. And what I've learned over time and traveling and meeting 1000s and 1000s of people is as soon as I make a fool of myself. Suddenly the report can be built like

that. That's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, look at me. I don't. Yeah. No, it's so it's so true. It's so true. And like,

you know, not take some things that I've learned over the course of even the last like six months is not taking yourself too seriously. Yeah, that's been something huge. And honestly, in the last two weeks, I have a planner that I basically print out my eight pieces of paper on my on my computer. And the first one is all of the goals I want to accomplish for the week. And then I break it down to days and the next seven sheets, and I break the like my music goals, my speaking goals, my real estate goals, and then my my personal goals in the very bottom. And for the last couple of weeks, it's just been I've had, have more fun, and just a checkbox next to it. So when Sunday comes around, and I believe that like I've actually squeeze more juice out of life and have more fun, I checked that off. I didn't used to do that. Because I'm when you're, especially when you're involved in a career that you're passionate about, like music, or if you're an actor, or if you're or if you're just someone that really loves building houses and your real estate, or whatever it is, you're really passionate about it. Sometimes it's hard to get people to stop, and just be like, hey, like, I understand you're doing fun stuff. But try doing something fun, outside of just making something that you make money with or something that you do all the time. Just because it's fun, you do it all the time, and you're passionate about it, that's great. But you got to find more things to kind of squeeze the life out of or the juice out of you know what I mean? So that was one of the things that the other thing was basically, just, you know, have more clarity and direction have 10% more clarity and direction. Obviously, I don't need 100% all the time. I'm not perfect, and nobody is. But if you just ask for a little bit here and there. You can go somewhere, you can actually be proud of yourself at the end of the week. That's what I found. Yeah,

I am. I'm like loving what you're saying right now. And it made me think of something which is so important. And it doesn't matter what industry you are in, it does not matter. It is the exact same process, no matter what, if you mentioned something about or whether you're in real estate, or a musician or an actress or, you know, you're just in business, you're a speaker, something like this. When you meet somebody, it doesn't even matter what you do. It's how you make them feel. And last, I just went and grabbed this because last night I was out after dinner, we went to a cocktail lounge, okay, and I'm being my normal self, and talking crap to a friend of mine, we went to his real estate networking event the night before we happen to bump into him, and I went off, Mark, your speech was excellent, you know, it was great to see you, you've developed so much as a person, he's there with this, this guy here, this finance guy, okay? Now, this is how it happens. This is how new relationships happen on the spot, within minutes, five minutes, okay. And all I did was, you know, again, you be yourself, you package it now, that that may take you some time to develop the confidence to really just be boldly out there, you know, you can't just click your fingers and automatically be like that, you've got to put some training and if you don't have the personality right now, you do have to train yourself. And that's what I do with my clients is I train them how to be more outgoing, how to have the confidence to show their skill sets. So I'm out there, and this guy's a finance guy. Now business guys, we're gonna talk about that or, or even celebrities, okay? You've got to treat them like anybody else. And you've got to joke with them and what you were saying about fun and just like relaxing and chilling out and just like enjoying yourself. really key formula to how you build rapport, especially with with people that do have influence or are status, you know, social status, if we want to call it that. And for me, I was joking about my friend Mark and then joking to him. And I disregarded the fact that he had that status. And they absolutely love it. They love it. Now in Australia, I don't know whether we created this, but we give each other shit is the term. So we, we joke to each other all the time. And that's actually a sign that we really like each other. sounds totally backwards. But if you can master giving somebody shit in a positive way, you have learned the art of building rapport very quickly. Now, if somebody thinks to invest in you, they want to invest in you whether it's business or employing you, okay, literally within five minutes. This guy goes, you know, do you want to jump out in the middle you're out and about? Do you want to jump in? Why Why do people do that? They do it because there's a certain attitude that people have that CEOs or or celebrities or people they see it and I go That's it. That's it, I can train that person, they're gonna work hard. They've got the, you know, the right outlook mindset. And you don't even have to send your resumes to people like that, because they've met you. So your best resume is in person, the way you show up, and that first five minutes when you're interacting with them. There's another great resource book by Nicholas Boothman. And I believe it's called, How to get someone to like you in 90 seconds, excellent resource, maybe we'll put these somewhere where people can click on them. One of the best books like that other one, I mentioned, really easy, applicable strategies to actually learning the art of doing what I'm talking about.

100% 100%. And, and going back to what you said before, to, like, like serious talking about, it's a strategy to be able to get yourself comfortable. And I think one of the strategies coming in, is having some humility. Don't be afraid to be awkward, some conversations are gonna be awkward, they're going to be I mean, I was a band geek growing up, and I've had some awkward conversations. But every single one I've learned from to the point where I'm like, I can be goofy and still be attractive, and I don't, I don't, it doesn't matter. That doesn't matter is the confidence that you learn over time, just like who I am and what you are. That's the kind of stuff that people really love. Self Awareness is one of those things that just takes time. And you're supposed to have fun with it, it's supposed to last a lifetime. That's self awareness. And those are the things that that I think, are the most attractive things. I think that's what you're talking about in that sense, right? So and but there's certain things like, let's say, because we're almost out of time. But I know, I know, I hate to rip the band aid. But I know we've been going for about

25 minutes, or about 25 minutes, oh, we're gonna have to do another one. This is it's great. I love it really,

totally, I love it, we just go back and forth. The Darren Jacqueline thing is still freaking me,

it is actually freaking me out as well, because I felt like that was a missed opportunity. And I think that's something important to realize with what we're talking about with building new new relationships is, there's so many opportunities that you may have missed, because you weren't able to implement what we're talking about. And that to me is really sad. And you know, missing out on that, because I mean, it comes all comes back around, obviously, like I can't leave on this call. And then his name came up again. But I knew in that moment, there was something I should have done, or there was more actions that I could have taken in terms of that new connection that I made, and I didn't do it. Now. Here it is again.

Paul - 

So first of all, I'm going to reintroduce you if that's okay. Second of all, let's do this. Let's give everybody a strategy is to walk home with to help them kind of get through that those first barriers of starting to be able to be more social and go and talk to strangers, mine, because I know sir, is going to be better than mine. So I'm just gonna. So whenever I see a person, I'm like, I want to go talk to that person. And if I get a little butterfly, even like the little, like tiny, little butterflies, I know I have to go do it. Here. If you have butterflies, that means you're excited about it. And me and my manager talking about this all the time. If you have those sort of butterflies, it's time to get going. That's that that you could get to or that opportunity or that person or whatever it is. That is that thing that you need to go after right away. Because it could be like you said, that missed opportunity that you could be having a conversation about right now or later on down the road. So that's that's my that's my one thing I would say if you if you feel like it's just out of your reach. That's the perfect opportunity for you as well.

I love that. It reminds me of Mel Robbins technique. Well, her book 54321 Yeah, just go shorten the time of thinking about it and the action. And then suddenly you forget about it, because it's more the paralysis of analysis that gets you know, versus just once you're in the action, you're good to go. And you know what, in terms of strategies when you're out Look, I think what you're what you just said is fantastic shortening the time between thinking and doing. And if you get butterflies go and talk to that person, um, that kind of, I guess links into what I was thinking of saying it's, it's like the first person that you see you want to go and talk to now, you know what, I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna give you this strategy. So So, I love this game. It's really really fun. And it's something that is directly linked to how you can become more aware of yourself and socially aware and the more aware you are of yourself and comfortable with being a goof Whatever it is, and the more aware you are of your environment and the people in it, the bigger advantage you've got when you're going in there, okay? The more relaxed you feel, the more confident you feel. Because you know your environment. So this is what I tell some of my clients to do. And say you go into a cafe, let's say you walk into a cafe, when you think about your surroundings, okay, think about the environment that you're in. Think about the artwork on the wall, the sofa what kind of sofa? Is it? How many people are in the room? Is it just the barista Is there a few people working Is there someone making a sandwich, the smell of croissants, think about the entire, you know, the bustling, the loud, you know, people sipping their coffee, the smell of that, like, think about the entire environment that you're in, okay. And then strategies linked to proximity. So you're in that experience. And often one of the hardest things is knowing what to say to somebody when you first meet them is that you just run out of words, you suddenly go, I want to talk to this person, oh, well, I suddenly don't know how to speak English, and you lose all of your words. So what this strategy does is it gives you everything you'd ever need to say, it's all in front of you, it's in the environment, the smell of a croissant, the paintings on the wall, the people with the crying, baby, sitting, you know, the couple talking in depth about something, and then proximity comes into play. This allows you to make the decision of who you speak to, whoever is closest to you is probably going to be the best person to talk to first. So when you see them, what you want to do is combine your environment and the proximity, the first person I see to make myself more comfortable in social environment, is to start a conversation with them. And I'm going to do that by using my environment, which I spoke about, okay. And so it might be out look at these paintings. And I draw the attention to something which is a commonality. And this is how we build this tribe mentality. And this, this sense of belonging in situations that feel uncomfortable to us, is we link it to something that we are both experiencing okay? Or Oh, like your baby is really cute, something like this, or, Oh yum, what kind of drink is that? It's real time. It allows you to not run out of things to say, and it starts to build a relationship on the spot, and people like you straightaway. So that's my strategy.

I love it. I love it. And for for the very beginners, just remember, all you really need is just one connection. Just that one connection with one person just be like, oh, like I think ours was. I think well, of course self empowerment. But George channels, I was just like, oh, millennial samurai. I was like, awesome. This is what's up? Yeah, this check rocks cool, done over. But But no, I mean, all you need is that just little connection, you don't need to take the conversation and just feel like you're about to have a conversation for hours or keep it going on and on and on. You just need that little bit just to keep just to be proud of it. Make that small connection, see your surroundings, be able to have those kinds of conversations and relative conversations, and sharing that connection and feel proud of yourself for that legitimately go back and say, Nancy Drew whatever your name is, I should feel proud of this. I should feel proud of this. And I think a lot of times with with overachievers people like yourself as well. They're just entrepreneurs that just go after things. You have a hard time kind of giving yourself those Pat's on the back and those accolades and things every week.

No, it is one of the toughest things in my life, is being proud of my accolades. 100% I actually broke down in tears at a seminar in London last year, because I had to stand on the stage after I did a speech and open my arms and accept the applause. I felt so uncomfortable accepting an applause about myself. And that was a really powerful experience. So what you're saying really resonates with me it is sometimes the hardest thing to be proud of yourself. So I think that's a good that's great advice for people. You know, even you smiling at somebody that's an accomplishment. If you're in a really dark space, that is you walk out you can give a smile, the you know, you can eat. Sometimes it hurts. I have a client who's been in such a negative spiral that I taught him to smile to everybody, so my jaw hurts there, because he's just not used to smiling so you can even go out and do that. Like that's a huge win. That is something you should be patting yourself on the back for.

Yeah, absolutely. I every buddy that wants to achieve one has the same thing. They always say I just I just got done. A Millionaire who's 68 has everything he wants. And he's just like, I have to do more now. And I'm like, but be you. But do you mean this is gonna be? I mean, there's a whole nother bag of worms. Oh. But yeah, anyway. Let's get on that note. Let's get on that note. I can appreciate you so I can appreciate you for being here, sir. This is This is amazing. This is amazing conversation. And we knew that going into this we could probably talk for hours about different stuff. But this will happen again. I'm feeling it I'm definitely feeling that and and yeah, if you have any, any comments anything that you want to write please leave Sarah some comments let her know what's going on. I want to give some social media links right now. And I'm so professional look at me look at me.

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